Stories, Old Friends, A Good Time 'Til The End

Jun 29, 2012
Originally published on June 29, 2012 2:15 pm

Bishop Ricardo Ramirez's grandmother lived a long and full life. But it was the way Francisca Espitia approached her final years that may have impressed her grandson the most.

Ramirez, 75, recently visited StoryCorps to remember his grandmother, whom he called Panchita, in a family story that begins in 1981. That's when he was elevated to bishop in the church. The occasion called for a reception — so Ramirez called his grandmother.

"She was one of these women who lived out in the ranches, who would grab a rattlesnake by the tail and snap its head off," he says. "She was strong. And she raised this big family."

The reception was to take place in San Antonio, Texas, about 200 miles from Panchita's home in Houston. So the 90-year-old woman took the bus, alone, to be with her grandson.

Ramirez says a few days before the party he asked Panchita, "'What have you been doing lately?'

"And she said, 'I've been having a good time.' "

"Wow," Ramirez recalls saying. "What do you do, at 90 years old, to have a good time?

"She says, 'Oh son, I have been going to funerals.' "

Ramirez then asked his grandmother if that meant what it seemed: that she'd been having a good time at funerals.

"'Oh yes," Ramirez recalls his grandmother answering. "Yes, we drink coffee, we tell stories, we meet old friends — it's wonderful. We have a great time.' "

"I said, 'Grandma, how can you have a good time when somebody dies?'

"She looked at me, straight into my eyes. And she was serious, almost scolding me. And she said, 'Son, haven't you learned yet, that it is a privilege to die?'

"In all my years of study, in theology and listening to sermons, I had never quite heard it that way."

Only weeks later, Panchita died.

"She was in the hospital, recovering from a heart attack, but we knew she probably wouldn't make it, at her age," Ramirez says. "And she kept repeating, like a mantra, 'Solo quiero ver a Dios' — I just want to see the face of God.'

"That was the last thing I ever heard her say. And then she died two days later."

Ramirez performed for the first time as a bishop at the funeral. And he still recalls how she met what she had called a "privilege."

"When she died, she was singing songs from catechism," Ramirez says, singing the lines "Al cielo — I want to go to heaven, I want to go to heaven — songs from childhood."

"She died singing," Ramirez says. "She was just an amazing woman. I'll never forget Panchita."

Ramirez is the bishop of the Diocese of Las Cruces, New Mexico. He visited StoryCorps in Mesilla, N.M.

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Transcript

RENEE MONTAGNE, HOST:

Time now for StoryCorps, the project recording stories of everyday Americans. Today we hear from Bishop Ricardo Ramirez. He came to StoryCorps to remember his grandmother, Panchita Espitia, and a story that began in 1981 in San Antonio, Texas.

BISHOP RICARDO RAMIREZ: I was asked to be a bishop, and there was going to be a reception for me. So I called my grandmother. She was one of these women who lived out on the ranches, who would grab a rattlesnake by the tail and snap its head off. She was strong, and she raised this big family. Well, two or three days before the party, my grandmother arrives. I asked what have you been doing lately, and she says, I've been having a good time.

Well, what do you do at 90 years old to have a good time? She says, oh, son, I've been going to funerals. I said, you have been having a good time at funerals? Oh, yes. We drink coffee, we tell stories, we meet old friends. It's wonderful. We have a great time. I said, Grandma, how can you have a good time when somebody dies? She looked at me straight into my eyes, and she was serious, almost scolding me.

Then she says, son, haven't you learned yet that it is a privilege to die? In all my years of study in theology and listening to sermons, I had never quite heard it that way. A few weeks later she had that privilege. She was in the hospital recovering from a heart attack, but we knew she probably wouldn't make it at her age, and she kept repeating like a mantra (Spanish spoken) - I just want to see the face of God.

That was the last thing I ever heard her say, and then she died two days later. When she died, she was singing songs from catechism (Spanish spoken) - I want to go to heaven, I want to go to heaven - songs from childhood. She died singing. She was just an amazing woman. I'll never forget Panchita.

MONTAGNE: Bishop Ricardo Ramirez in Mesilla, New Mexico. His grandmother's funeral was the first one he performed as a bishop. His interview will be archived along with all StoryCorps interviews at the Library of Congress. The StoryCorps podcast is at npr.org. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.